Definitely endless, but in the choice of rifles not calibre as AusTac has already stated that he iss looking at 6.5.
Iām just here for the show.
I still think the 308 is in some ways better than the 6.5c. I know the 6.5 has bullets with better BC than most 308 bullets resulting in better wind bucking ability but it is at the margins. A 308 shooting 200grn bullets fast beats the 6.5. The 308 delivers more energy down range. All that does come at the cost of greater recoil.
The 6.5, 7 and 6 mm rounds are all good and have a place in different shooting circumstances.
This Statement just gives me shivers though as I really have a lot of respect for the 308.Very Very versatile round IMHO.
Kinda looks like a Mosin, but with less ooomph.
It is kind of true, though. Most people only shoot 308 in comps where that round is mandated by the rules to ālevel the playing fieldā or maintain some level of tradition. Yes, it is capable and effective but even the 7-08 stays supersonic beyond itās parent cartridge.
Well i thought i put this to bedā¦ but i suppose not, iām going into the gunshop tomorrow or saturday to see what my options are from factory ( and to stock up for little river on saturday ) , iām going the longest 6.5 creedmoor barrel i can find with an adjustable stock, that howa bifrost is high on the list, looks fkn ugly but having looked into it seems super functional
Iād anticipate that whilst the .308 omarks are ripper deals, trying to make them into something theyāre not for me/to my taste would be counter productive $ wise, but no doubt they shoot awesome and maybe one day
Scopes, itās between a 2nd hand nightforce, vortex viper, or a tract torric
Every week i put it off is more $ saved up, iām also aware the shot show is in october which is ages away but an opportunity 2nd to none to look feel and buy, as i said at the start iām in not rush and want to do this right for me, based on my experience and tastes iāve recently come across some land i can shoot and get a 2km range, so for now its just practice and looking at the data, also reloading gear and a straight pull shotgun is on the cards, going to be an expensive year!
I am so proud of you!
Also, what shop? Iāll be at Gun Co on Sat.
Really? I actually think itās badass cool looking.
Itās scary but I have to agree with you on this one, I think the Bifrost looks good.
I will try not to make a habit of it though 
Ballistics results are like statistics you can choose the worst bullet ever made or the best one or the one you would buy at the shop.
The Berger 175 OTM still supersonic at 1000 yrds .
Then for a closer comparison a Berger 168grn classic hunter at 2850
The 6.5mm 147 using your BC of 0.697 at 2600fps
Taking like for like, the 175 eld-x at 2600fps (from a 7mm08, for instance) doesnāt go transonic until 1150-1200m. That is another 200m before hitting transonic than a 175gn bullet out of the 308 and thatās just from necking the same cartridge down by 0.63".
Put that same bullet in a 284win at 2850fps and it doesnāt go transonic until 1400m. Blow that case out to a Shehane and extend the barrel length to 30" for 3100fps and youāll be going transonic at 15-1600m.
Once you start talking about heavier bullets to compensate for or improve BCs and retained energy and velocity, a 180eld-m at 3000 out of the Shehane goes transonic at 17-1800m.
A 180eld out of a 308 at 2800fps (which I think is really pushing the boundaries for a 308 pressure wise) goes transonic at between 1000-1100m.
When they start making rules for competitions because the āstandardā cartridge is no longer competitive and they need to stop people ācheatingā with more modern and efficient cartridges, I think it speaks for itself. Yes, the 308 is still a good round but the reality is there are a heap of better, more efficient cartridges with similar capacities available to the modern shooter wanting to reach out to 1000m and more.
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The FTR guys push the 200 out at 2850+ for the 185s it is close to 3000. They give you a pretty hard recoil and are hard on the cases but the normal signs most people would look for pressure is not there.
Iāll take less wind drift any day. Over 2 ft less @ 1000 yards? sign me up.
Come-ups are the easiest and most predictable thing you can manage.
Also, I donāt reckon down range energy is a factor, unless you are trying to knock something over, like a ram silhouette @ 500m , for which a minimum of 1000ft/lb is required. Iām using those 147gr ELD-Mās for my ram load, they flatten 'em.
For me personally, the greatest thing about the Creedmoor is the reduction in āfeltā recoil, less muzzle blast and reduction in the pressure wave that my brain injury appreciates a lot. ( And thatās compared to my 7mm-08ās ) All of these things add up to me being able to shoot it more accurately than something that belts the bejesus out of me every shot. I canāt imagine shooting those .308 loads you talk about @sungazer all day long.
The fact that brass doesnāt last long is a perfect sign of excessive pressure.
Maybe but if you are shooting in the World Championships overseas for your country. Are you really worried about how many reloads you are going to get from your brass?
Or the damage you are doing to weaken your rifleās actionā¦
Itās beside the point. Even at āWorld Titleā level, people are only shooting the 308 if they choose to compete in a discipline that restricts competitors to that cartridge because other cartridges are seen to have an unfair advantage because they are more modern and efficient.
@AusTac is after something that he can reliably shoot out to and past 1000yd/m. Many other cartridges are available that do it better, do it easier and do it with less punishment than the 308win. These same arguments would have been had when the new fangled 308win was taking precedence over the trusty of 303britā¦ etcā¦ times change and advances are made. Iām not saying anything against people who shoot the 308 in comps, just that there are now better tools for the job if you choose to use them.
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https://m.usedguns.com.au/Product_Desc.aspx?Pid=143721
Not budget, but @AusTac is young single and cashed up!
