@Supaduke i present you with 
…should have bought a Glock 
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Woops & ouch. What can you say about Sigs other than they’re very enthusiastic and eager to go pew because that’s their job 
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I’ve chipped in for the payout by ordering another Sig this week.
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Glocks don’t style well with my Latte and Birkenstocks
I prefer refinement (sips latte with pinky extended)
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Sad, but there was s fair bit of warning there was an issue.
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Sig are just trying to invent guns that don’t need soldiers to fire them, that way they can just drop unmanned pistols into battle and they will shoot the enemy on their own.
I think this could potentially be the catalyst for the end of their military contracts. The FBI have already stopped their issue and use, and multiple US police departments have already listed them as “banned” for issue or use by officers.
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It’s proving really divisive in the US - I’m seeing people arguing that they’ve owned a P320 for years and put a billion rounds through it and never had any issues, while there’s everyone else pointing out that guns don’t just fire themselves and there have been way too many incidents of P320s apparently going off by themselves - including this latest one.
Sig’s own PR/incident management has apparently gotten a lot of people offside, too.
The sad thing is that even though I don’t like striker-fired pistols, if I had to have one, it would be the P320; they sit really well in my hand.
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A big distinction should be these are sig sauer usa not the classic Sig. I trust the Swiss.
Same, I’d go 320. I’ll put my analytics hat on now, as much as i love making @Supaduke cry himself to sleep with new and creative 320 jabs…
It’s interesting because this amount of unintended discharges is, according to whatever, not insignificant. FBI report, whatever else, like enough…
So then I think it’s reasonable to have an expectation of reproducibility, given large enough sample. Yet… I am not seeing any of that. No root cause analysis, no testing, no reproducibility, it’s just odd.
Is it a fault? Or is it the operator or a combination of the two and lack of training or some expectations/muscle memory that needs to be retrained… Sounds like a huge problem, sounds like there’s enough data and yet no reproducibility. Just odd.
G17 all the way
I understand the striker is full cocked on these unlike the glock and others that are half chocked and use the disgusting trigger pull to finish the rest.
Interesting they don’t like lube in the striker channel.
Trying to unravel where Sig-Sauer is based is a headache at the best of times, but as far as I can tell they don’t make any handguns in Germany or Switzerland anymore and haven’t for a few years at least.
Everyone knows the P226 and earlier designs (even the US-made ones) are excellent, which is why they’re like $2000 each second-hand and the P210s are about twice that.
And as @juststarting says, it’s really odd that the P320 failures don’t seem to be replicable, but are also happening often enough to not just be flukes or operator error either.
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Not that I would ever suggest basing an opinion on youtubers, but this guy seems fairly impartial and doing his best to work through the problem. It’s an interesting watch.
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Yep Sig are not doing themselves any favours they way they’re handling this issue, also people are funny creatures and it seems to go double for Muricans.
You’ll always get the blind on both sides of the fence, there’s the “all sigs are now evil” crowd and the “mine works fine it’s all bullshit” gang, and neither will waiver from their stance regardless of where the facts end up taking us.
I still like my Sigs as far as tupperware striker guns go and have another one on order at the moment, but if I ever had to hold one of my loaded guns to a part of my body (to like save a bus load of crying orphans being blown up by a villain) it sure as fuck wouldn’t be any of my sigs 
The 365’s have a little issue too with the trigger bar spring failing after a fairly short life leaving the gun semi disabled and needing the trigger manually pushed forward to reset which they claim is dangerous and may get you killed if you’re in a gunfight, soooo not really an issue here on Oz lol.
They’ve also been known to not fire with a trigger depress and then go off with a firm shake, I guess they just like to keep you on your toes, so far it only seems to be a couple of cases. But given Sigs “trigger issues” of late might be something more who knows.
I guess “Made in Murica” doesn’t mean what it once might have.
All I know for sure is that if the Zombie Apocalypse comes and I can only grab one handgun it’s going to be a dirty old Glock or Beretta M9 
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What’s the chances it is a QA issue ? There is a big presumption that ALL of these pistols leave exactly the same but i would be interested to see what a pistol that has discharged, does during testing like this. Basically a Friday arvo pistol.
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I wouldn’t rule out a QA issue, although I’d point out that the British, the Soviets and the Germans all managed to crank out guns while having the shit bombed out of them and none of those guns developed a reputation for firing on their own or going off when shaken too vigorously.
Also, presumably the same people doing the QA on the P320/M17s are the same ones doing the QA on the 226s/229s etc, and those things are (rightly) IMO regarded as some of the best service handguns ever made.
Sorry I think you may be stretching the analogy here. Re the British, Siviets and Germans comment at that time they were designed to only go off when absolutely needed like the Aus Lithgows a 4kg 3 stage trigger help prevent your buddys in the back.
My point is more that if those countries can maintain the absolute barest minimum of QA (ie, “gun does not fire unless user actively pulls trigger”) while actively being bombed, then a multi-billion dollar armsmaker operating in a first world country in peacetime conditions shouldn’t experience “Gun can fire without pulling the trigger” QA issues (if indeed the issues are a QA one, and they may not be - no-one knows exactly what the problem is right now), and especially not when their previous products have long been a byword for quality and reliability.
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Fair enough I agree. But not 100% on the QA side of it QA rely is only to make sure practices are followed and the product is made to specifications. ie it could be a bad design issue. The fact it is not 100% repeatable is the real killer (could be literally) Sig should recall the gun no matter what the facts as Safety and reputation at the end of the day are all that rely matters.
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In the tech world, QA includes trying to break products to make sure they’ll stand up to not only regular use, but window-licking use; if that’s now how it works in manufacturing (which it may very well not be), then I agree that changes the “Is this a QA issue?” conversation somewhat 